great thread im into fishing all types fluff bait kayak sea fresh charter beach, ill have a go at all sorts , going to have a dabble in france this year with some serious carpers , im a bit out of touch with the new methods and rigs , they are so complicated, so im looking forward to learning a stack of new methods ,we are going for a week in august 2012 carnt wait ill tell you. me nephew had a 52 lber last year what a fish that was.