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David_JAFO
12-07-2016, 06:40 PM
hello,
Just as I was getting over 10,000BC & the follow up 2 Tribes (withdrawal symptoms) :p here we go again.. EDEN http://www.channel4.com/programmes/eden "In a remote corner of the UK, 23 men and women try to build a new life and new society from scratch, isolated from the rest of the world.." hmm.. sounds like the SNP 45% & Independence. :oops: I shall withdraw that statement T's & C's rules.. politics.. blah blah blah.. :Sorry:
Regards
David

shepherd
12-07-2016, 07:33 PM
lets hope its better than that 10,000bc was! utter garbage haha..

Woody
12-07-2016, 10:01 PM
I'm a little shortsighted sometimes...

Because we never watch TV just last week I decided it was time to do away with both the license and the TV.
The kids are not interested, we just read and surf the net so what's the point right?
Wrong!

Since then , Ray Mears has his new show (wild France).
Rio 2016 is coming!!!
And now this sounds like an interesting experiment that I would enjoy watching, especially if they're all experienced in different key skills.


Edit.
Sounds like this was the experiment described on an old thread in this forum....
(Mission : find thread...😠)
Asking for participants
..


Blast , I might have to reinstate TV again...

Woody
12-07-2016, 10:12 PM
Found it:

http://www.naturalbushcraft.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=9143

That's the one I wanted to participate but swmbo said *#Άπ₯{#()’$€π|€•$•😭₯€©_^ΆΧ

😞

happybonzo
13-07-2016, 07:50 AM
Because we never watch TV just last week I decided it was time to do away with both the license and the TV.
The kids are not interested, we just read and surf the net so what's the point right?





Blast , I might have to reinstate TV again...

Don't bother; all the programmes you want are on some form of "catch-up" or iPlayer thing

David_JAFO
13-07-2016, 07:53 AM
hello Woody,
DITTO I very rarely watch TV either I often wonder why I have a TV too?? I thought you had your own little EDEN project going on down there in your neck of the woods..
Regards
David


Don't bother; all the programmes you want are on some form of "catch-up" or iPlayer thing

rik_uk3
13-07-2016, 08:56 AM
TV's aren't just for watching TV these days, they are the hub of an entertainment centre. Our main TV is a 60", its fantastic, you can surf the net, access your catchup channels, access the home network and all the hundreds and thousands of films/files/photos stored there et al. All our bedroom TV's have full internet access and again access to the home network and the license fee at less than 50p a day is superb value when you look at all the beeb offer INHO.

I don't hold up much hope for 'Eden'

Woody
13-07-2016, 09:06 AM
Blimey, TVs in the bedrooms?! Internet on the TV ?!
Times have changed...in so little time it seems.
When my grandad got our first (B&W) TV, the whole street used to come around to watch the programs, mainly the football...

Bedroom TV? Each to their own but when I finally get to the bedroom the only thing on my mind is ... ahem
well you know... sleep! ;)

my 15" TV just about gets the BBC 1 and 2 and the travel channel... the rest just gets stuck and has TV tourettes...weird pixelation , stopstarts and interrupted sound, due to bad signal... we re in the valley as it were.
So I think we might just do what was suggested and do the catch up thing...
:)

Woody
13-07-2016, 09:09 AM
hello Woody,
DITTO I very rarely watch TV either I often wonder why I have a TV too?? I thought you had your own little EDEN project going on down there in your neck of the woods..
Regards
David
Wish I did, we got the horses and plenty of public woods, forest and monoliths as well as stone circles but no settlement or woodland of my own ... yet! !!!
Good things come to those who go and get it! And so I'm working on it...

One day my friend , one day...

Humakt
13-07-2016, 10:13 AM
Don't waste your time watching it - it's not aimed at the likes of people who post on bushcraft forums.
You're not their target audience.
All that will happen is that you will get annoyed at so-and-so for doing something wrong, or being poorly instructed, or some other pedantic point. And then you will post your disgust on a bushcraft forum thus demonstrating what a joyless and po-faced lot bushcrafters can be.
It's not aimed at you.
It's just trashy reality TV masquerading as some kind of social experiment. But it's not. It's just voyeuristic trash.
That's OK if you watch it knowing that's all it is, but don't watch it expecting anything else.

Woody
13-07-2016, 10:21 AM
Don't waste your time watching it - it's not aimed at the likes of people who post on bushcraft forums.
You're not their target audience.
All that will happen is that you will get annoyed at so-and-so for doing something wrong, or being poorly instructed, or some other pedantic point. And then you will post your disgust on a bushcraft forum thus demonstrating what a joyless and po-faced lot bushcrafters can be.
It's not aimed at you.
It's just trashy reality TV masquerading as some kind of social experiment. But it's not. It's just voyeuristic trash.
That's OK if you watch it knowing that's all it is, but don't watch it expecting anything else.
Fair enough! It can also be amusing, when theres "too many chiefs, not enough Indians.." and all the joys of living in a close knit community with loads of strangers ...
I will watch one or two to see if I like it...
But I probably will give it a miss on a long term...




PS-.-
Hey Humakt off topic , but thanks for that bag! It's the dogs whatsits ...
Compartmentalization really works well for me...
And it's built like a tank!
Cheers

rik_uk3
13-07-2016, 08:53 PM
Blimey, TVs in the bedrooms?! Internet on the TV ?!
Times have changed...in so little time it seems.
When my grandad got our first (B&W) TV, the whole street used to come around to watch the programs, mainly the football...

Bedroom TV? Each to their own but when I finally get to the bedroom the only thing on my mind is ... ahem
well you know... sleep! ;)

my 15" TV just about gets the BBC 1 and 2 and the travel channel... the rest just gets stuck and has TV tourettes...weird pixelation , stopstarts and interrupted sound, due to bad signal... we re in the valley as it were.
So I think we might just do what was suggested and do the catch up thing...
:)

I'll be in bed in an hour or so and watch an episode of 'The Dead and the Living' (great series) from the comfort of my bed and I'll be taking up a large glass of red wine and some grapes :)

https://www.filmon.com/tv/filmon-football has all the UK freeview channels and dozens from abroad so long as your internet connection is 3mb/s or more. Filmon or catchup, pay your TV license please.

Woody
13-07-2016, 08:59 PM
I'll be in bed in an hour or so and watch an episode of 'The Dead and the Living' (great series) from the comfort of my bed and I'll be taking up a large glass of red wine and some grapes :)

https://www.filmon.com/tv/filmon-football has all the UK freeview channels and dozens from abroad so long as your internet connection is 3mb/s or more. Filmon or catchup, pay your TV license please.

Great, thanks for the links.
I think im reinstating the TV license soon , as soon as it's all connected again...(building works at home)
The olympics should be good too, so needs must.

Wine and grapes in bed hey?
Fair play
Can't argue with that...

ATB

rik_uk3
13-07-2016, 09:28 PM
And I'll prep the Teas Maid for my morning brew :)

FishyFolk
14-07-2016, 05:02 AM
I get really surprised whenever I discover that there are people out there that watch traditional TV...i.e programs at a set schedule. I stream everything, and should probably just cancel my cable TV subscription as nobody in the family ever watch TV. It's all streaming over Fiber optic cable, so the kids and the wife is entertained by Netflix, etc. But we do not use the TV much. The kids mostly use their computers and tablets, same with the wife, and I got a huge screen fro the computer too. It got this way I guess beacouse we have to take the 5 year old into consideration...it would not do to watch "The Walking dead" on the big screen with him in the room. But if we want to use the 55" TV whatever is on our screens (phones, tablets, computers) can be streamed to the TV screena t the push of a button to be watched there.

rik_uk3
14-07-2016, 05:49 AM
I cancelled my Sky subscription because we rarely used it, we have Netflix which is OK. We record a lot of programmes via a 'Youview' box which is convenient at times, we watch when we want.

Keep a lookout for


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnmqYl5PbI8

CheddarMan
16-07-2016, 09:58 PM
I'm a little shortsighted sometimes...

Because we never watch TV just last week I decided it was time to do away with both the license and the TV.
The kids are not interested, we just read and surf the net so what's the point right?



Oooops, be careful, if your kids watch anything live online, then you are breaking the law......

"If you watch or record programmes as they're being shown on TV or live on an online TV service, you need to be covered by a TV Licence. This is the case whether you use a TV, computer, tablet, mobile phone, games console, digital box, DVD/VHS recorder or any other device."

As from 1st September, you will definitely be breaking the law....

"From 1 September 2016 you will need to be covered by a TV Licence to download or watch BBC programmes on demand, including catch up TV, on BBC iPlayer. This applies to any device and provider you use.
Don't forget, you still need a TV Licence to watch or record programmes on any channel as they are being shown on TV or live on an online TV service."

That second bit is not widely known. Basically everyone will need a TV licence from 1st September! And it's a bargain anyway!

rik_uk3
17-07-2016, 08:26 AM
Which is why I said keep your license :) and its an absolute bargain IMHO.

Woody
17-07-2016, 10:20 AM
The reason I cancelled TV licence was not because of its price,( yep, it's cheap) but it's literally because we just simply don't watch it!

Thanks for the advice though cheddarman, I understand most people would not know about the new rules etc.

Some people also find it really difficult to understand , but it's superfluous. Redundant. Surplus to requirements.
😀

https://youtu.be/npjOSLCR2hE

(... Sorry couldn't resist...)





Our lives are mostly occupied with work, school , swimming, martial arts , horse care and exercise, field archery, guitar lessons and homework. ( On different days of the week).
Everyday, the kids do something after school that will keep them busy right up till dinner time, where we sit talk and eat .

After that we have downtime (from about 7 until 8) drawing, reading , listening or playing music , finishing off homework assignments or just drawing , painting , playing or even just chatting!
Sometimes me and my boy come on natural Bushcraft to read , watch and learn.

At weekends we spend as much time as we can outdoors, either with the horses, practising a little bit of Bushcraft or even just walking and sightseeing.
And in the weekend evenings we will maybe watch a movie or a documentary or sometimes we play jukebox, (where each takes a turn playing a song on YouTube.)= Music education.
After the kids are in bed there's household chores, reading and spending quality time with each other ( me and Mrs).

So there , that's my life.
I thank you all for the advice about keeping the TV license, I appreciate the rules are changing but to be honest I can just wait until the series is finished and then download and watch at my own convenience.
No iPlayer , no live TV whatever channel it may be.

If I do reinstate TV licence it will be for the Olympics and for a short period .

Regards



PS- Apologies to David for thread hijack!

BJ
17-07-2016, 02:24 PM
:happy-clapping:

Humakt
17-07-2016, 05:56 PM
Hmm...I wonder how they would police watching things on your computer.
You see, the thing is, it is the house that is licensed, not the individual. Which is why you only need the one license for your home, not for each resident living there to have one nor one for each device.
Therefore, how does that affect watching something online via a laptop, for instance?

Here's a scenario. Let's assume family A does not have a TV, nor watch TV online or in any other way. As such, they do not have a license. Family B, friends of family A, pay a visit. They DO have a TV licence, but it's for their own home. They bring with them a computer and watch something online. Who is culpable? If it's Family A (because the programme is being watched on their premises), then what would happen if, say, they were watching something online whilst, say, in the middle of the street (that is at no one's home)? Or maybe in a car (if you want to avoid public broadcast accusations)? My point being, if you watch it somewhere away from a residence.
And what would happen if family A (the ones without the licence) were visiting family B (who do have a licence) but family A brought their own laptop with them and watched something online at family B's home?

Thinking about it, what if you watch something via your tablet (earphones in so that not everyone can hear it) on the bus or train - whether you have a licence or not? Does that need a public performance licence? And how are you going to police that?
It's going to be very hard to prove who owns the computer/device that is being used without some serious invasion of privacy and data protection abuses which will cause all sorts of problems for the prosecutors.

I suspect this is legislation that will actually be very hard to get a conviction on and they are hoping to scare people into towing the line. The mobile nature of so many devices make the threat very hard to enforce. Best of luck to them, I suppose.

It's not something that is going to bother me - don't have a TV and don't watch online either.

CheddarMan
17-07-2016, 07:27 PM
Hmm...I wonder how they would police watching things on your computer.
You see, the thing is, it is the house that is licensed, not the individual. Which is why you only need the one license for your home, not for each resident living there to have one nor one for each device.
Therefore, how does that affect watching something online via a laptop, for instance?

Here's a scenario. Let's assume family A does not have a TV, nor watch TV online or in any other way. As such, they do not have a license. Family B, friends of family A, pay a visit. They DO have a TV licence, but it's for their own home. They bring with them a computer and watch something online. Who is culpable? If it's Family A (because the programme is being watched on their premises), then what would happen if, say, they were watching something online whilst, say, in the middle of the street (that is at no one's home)? Or maybe in a car (if you want to avoid public broadcast accusations)? My point being, if you watch it somewhere away from a residence.
And what would happen if family A (the ones without the licence) were visiting family B (who do have a licence) but family A brought their own laptop with them and watched something online at family B's home?

Thinking about it, what if you watch something via your tablet (earphones in so that not everyone can hear it) on the bus or train - whether you have a licence or not? Does that need a public performance licence? And how are you going to police that?
It's going to be very hard to prove who owns the computer/device that is being used without some serious invasion of privacy and data protection abuses which will cause all sorts of problems for the prosecutors.

I suspect this is legislation that will actually be very hard to get a conviction on and they are hoping to scare people into towing the line. The mobile nature of so many devices make the threat very hard to enforce. Best of luck to them, I suppose.

It's not something that is going to bother me - don't have a TV and don't watch online either.

Well, let's unpick this bizarre and fanciful scenario.....

The house where the programme is being watched, basically Family A need the licence if Family B come visiting. Although there are exemptions.

If you are watching programmes live, but streamed on a train/McDonalds or even in the street (why the...?), then you would need to be covered by the licence at your main residence.

It won't be necessary to prove ownership of a laptop, just who is using it, so if the person caught using it does not have a licence, or is not covered by a family licence, then they are for the high jump. Easy.

So, in the original post we have the scenario where the OP is not using the TV, his good lady doesn't, youngest child doesn't, but oldest child watches a sneaky EastEnders episode to be cool at school. Then the OP is in the frame as his child has used the TV without a licence. Scary.....

Personally, I think that the licence is out of date and the whole thing should just be covered by general taxation, a couple of pence off everyone for the BBC, bloody bargain.

Do you remember those public information commercials showing a detector van?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NmdUcmLFkw

Thank the Lord for Google and YouTube!

Humakt
17-07-2016, 07:49 PM
Well, you see, by describing it as a fanciful scenario shows that you may be as unaware of how people now interact with media technology just as much as, ironically, the ones legislating about the use of the technology.
Because there's nothing fanciful about the scenario at all.

Just because you (and me for that matter) may not relish nor want to watch programmes online whilst on the move (e.g. train or bus) there is a whole new generation who see it as quite a normal and everyday thing to do. As will succeeding generations. This legislation isn't awake to that and will cause more problems than it solves. Assuming they can even catch and prosecute such misdemeanours.

Here's another quite likely and difficult one to navigate around - since it's not about ownership of the device but who is using it, who is culpable if a group of people (somewhere private) are watching it, only one of which (not the device owner) has a licence? Who are you going to prosecute? Or is the mere fact that at least one person does have a licence enough? After all, they could well be said to be a (licensed) user of the device. There is nothing fanciful about that scenario. Ever been around someone else's house and watched TV? That's the situation we are dealing with. But with a mobile device it becomes a lot more difficult. And whilst you can not conceive of people watching something on a small screen, there is a whole generation who can and regularly do.

I'll say it again, this is a nonsense regulation that will be hard to police and prosecute and is designed to scare people into obeying.
Oh yeah, I kind of agree about abolishing the license and making it a tax instead - but what about people like me who do not have a TV nor watch online. Why should I pay?

There is another answer - you have to use your license serial number to watch online. But that's dead easy to abuse as well...

CheddarMan
17-07-2016, 08:51 PM
Oh yeah, I kind of agree about abolishing the license and making it a tax instead - but what about people like me who do not have a TV nor watch online. Why should I pay?

There is another answer - you have to use your license serial number to watch online. But that's dead easy to abuse as well...

That's just tough I am afraid, it will be a tax and you will pay!

I have a very good friend who is very wealthy, single (I reckon the two could be related), lives alone with a full SKY package, is as fit as a badger and hasn't used the NHS for at least 20 years due to comprehensive private health insurance. He still pays for libraries, the NHS, schools, public transport, dentists, the bin man etc etc. If I was in charge everyone would pay, essentially we are paying for the BBC, and I would bet you access their news content from time to time (although you will no doubt tell us you don't)

rik_uk3
18-07-2016, 03:51 AM
Every house in the UK pays council tax annually or monthly, adding the TVL costs to council tax would cover everyone and honest license payers like myself won't be subsidising the sponging parasites AKA fee dodgers.

laika
18-07-2016, 08:55 PM
Every house in the UK pays council tax annually or monthly, adding the TVL costs to council tax would cover everyone and honest license payers like myself won't be subsidising the sponging parasites AKA fee dodgers.

Happy to pay taxes for the good of everyone but would prefer them to go to the NHS and education - no one is in mortal danger of insufficient 'Strictly Come Dancing' so if we're going to increase taxes, let's make it for the stuff that many actually need in the first instance. As for 'parasites', and 'fee dodgers' - I assume you're talking about the bankers and filthy rich who pay virtually no tax rather than the ordinary folk who don't watch live TV. From each according to their ability to each according to their need........

rik_uk3
19-07-2016, 12:49 PM
I'm a retired nurse Laika so I love to see funding for the NHS, however we were talking about the TVL fee a very different beast.

Back on track, I watched episode one...You have a very mixed group with a broad array of skills plus they are equipped with all they need...how can they fail?

David_JAFO
19-07-2016, 06:29 PM
hello,
Remember The BBC series Castaway 2000? Interesting read.. http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-07-18/lessons-channel-4s-eden-can-learn-from-ben-fogle-and-castaway-2000
Regards
David

CheddarMan
19-07-2016, 11:36 PM
Happy to pay taxes for the good of everyone but would prefer them to go to the NHS and education - no one is in mortal danger of insufficient 'Strictly Come Dancing' so if we're going to increase taxes, let's make it for the stuff that many actually need in the first instance. As for 'parasites', and 'fee dodgers' - I assume you're talking about the bankers and filthy rich who pay virtually no tax rather than the ordinary folk who don't watch live TV. From each according to their ability to each according to their need........

Unlike rik_uk3 I am still a nurse, mental health. I think the NHS could be funded better obviously, but we could also be better at spending it, the waste is bordering on criminal.

As for the lack of Strictly, well I agree partly, but you have to also remember the range of news output, including the fantastic BBC website that is paid for by the licence fee. Also the radio output, 1,2,3,4,5,6 all the local content, the World Service...honestly the list of BBC content is very nerly endless! Well worth the fee.

As for Eden, well who'd thunk it, a slightly eccentric adventurer, a sexy young doctor, a handsome and vulnerable vet, a trim yoga teacher, a black builder, everyone getting pissed and some snogging................it's going to be brilliant :happy-clapping:

rik_uk3
20-07-2016, 07:50 AM
Well done on mental health nursing CM, not my cup of tea but the wife retires after 40 (pension) years in October as senior nurse for patient therapy, she's seen some changes over the decades.

I wonder if the junior doctor has sutured a wound yet in her career.

Lot of moaning about the pig being killed. They seem to be cooking a lot of food in terms of volume.

Greenbear
20-07-2016, 07:14 PM
And back to the OP - watched it on 24-7 last night. Hmmm, not hugely impressed, it looks like it is shaping up to be a cross between "love island" (missed it? Trust me, be thankful you did) and "Castaway" (which I far preferred).

Too much focus on the "lovey dovey" couple and the schism between the cast members for my taste. Never mind Ray Mears is in France at the moment, so that will do me :D

CheddarMan
20-07-2016, 11:03 PM
And back to the OP - watched it on 24-7 last night. Hmmm, not hugely impressed, it looks like it is shaping up to be a cross between "love island" (missed it? Trust me, be thankful you did) and "Castaway" (which I far preferred).

Too much focus on the "lovey dovey" couple and the schism between the cast members for my taste. Never mind Ray Mears is in France at the moment, so that will do me :D

I agree with the lovey dovey couple, clearly the thing will fall apart when the two couples break up and one of them gets with someone else! And the veggie menu could evaporate overnight!

To be fair though, Castaway also focused on the problems between the members of the group, it's what makes it interesting. Imagine if they all got on well, developed a perfectly functioning society, made two well thought out and fully working 'villages' and it all went really well? How boring would that be? Like Formula 1, at some level we all want to see a crash!

Woody
21-07-2016, 07:19 AM
Don't waste your time watching it - it's not aimed at the likes of people who post on bushcraft forums.
You're not their target audience.
All that will happen is that you will get annoyed at so-and-so for doing something wrong, or being poorly instructed, or some other pedantic point. And then you will post your disgust on a bushcraft forum thus demonstrating what a joyless and po-faced lot bushcrafters can be.
It's not aimed at you.
It's just trashy reality TV masquerading as some kind of social experiment. But it's not. It's just voyeuristic trash.
That's OK if you watch it knowing that's all it is, but don't watch it expecting anything else.
Pretty much on the money there Humakt!
I haven't watched one episode yet and if going by the comments on this thread is anything to go by, you were absolutely correct.
Not any different from love island/ big brother type of thing...
Nah....
I'll give it a miss

:)

Greenbear
22-07-2016, 03:58 PM
I agree with the lovey dovey couple, clearly the thing will fall apart when the two couples break up and one of them gets with someone else! And the veggie menu could evaporate overnight!

To be fair though, Castaway also focused on the problems between the members of the group, it's what makes it interesting. Imagine if they all got on well, developed a perfectly functioning society, made two well thought out and fully working 'villages' and it all went really well? How boring would that be? Like Formula 1, at some level we all want to see a crash!

By the same token, the series was asking "what if we could start again" etc, and yet is placing focus on pure entertainment and schism rather than the potential to show the positive side of the experiment. At least Castaway started out with a positive spin (before they made a big thing about "Ray" the builder falling out with several people).

I fear it is a victim of "entertainment over education" as ever with TV :(

CheddarMan
22-07-2016, 09:15 PM
Don't waste your time watching it - it's not aimed at the likes of people who post on bushcraft forums.
You're not their target audience.
All that will happen is that you will get annoyed at so-and-so for doing something wrong, or being poorly instructed, or some other pedantic point. And then you will post your disgust on a bushcraft forum thus demonstrating what a joyless and po-faced lot bushcrafters can be.
It's not aimed at you.
It's just trashy reality TV masquerading as some kind of social experiment. But it's not. It's just voyeuristic trash.
That's OK if you watch it knowing that's all it is, but don't watch it expecting anything else.

Ha, it doesn't need a tv programme to demonstrate that :evilgrin:

JayLake
09-05-2017, 02:30 PM
That show is a joke (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/whatever-happened-eden-channel-4s-reality-tv-disaster/) lol