The risks of fungi foraging

[jus_young]

Please take note folks, and remember that if you really need to ask advice on i.d. on Natural Bushcraft then you REALLY DONT KNOW!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29480017

[OakAshandThorn]

84??? :shocked: Ye Gods that's scary...
Foraging rule number 1: "If in doubt, LEAVE IT OUT".
Foraging rule number 2: Confirm ID by cross-checking with multiple (no less than 2) sources

[Geoff Dann]

C5 news asked me to go to London for an interview on this on Friday - couldn't do it because I was booked for a talk in Brighton. I console myself by telling myself that nobody watches C5 news anyway!

ITV news also asked me for "ten tips" to put on their website:

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-10-03/10-ways-to-safely-forage-for-wild-mushrooms-in-the-uk/

[rossbird]

84??? :shocked: Ye Gods that's scary...
Foraging rule number 1: "If in doubt, LEAVE IT OUT".
Foraging rule number 2: Confirm ID by cross-checking with multiple (no less than 2) sources

A medic, on BBC radio last week, suggested 80-90 cases a year is normal.

[OakAshandThorn]

A medic, on BBC radio last week, suggested 80-90 cases a year is normal.
It's never been more than 40 reported cases in the entire region here...

[saxonaxe]

Those poisoning figures set me thinking...and digging..no not for Mushrooms...:D

The 237 figure given for 'Last year' (2013) from the National Poisons Information Service is for public enquiries related to poisoning by various substances/liquids...A proportion only, of those enquiries involved Mushrooms/Fungi. It's easy to read that there were 237 cases of Mushroom/Fungi poisoning..there wasn't.

Just as an example in 2008 there were 147 public enquiries at NPIS, again about various causes of poisoning. 46 cases were identified as Fungi poisoning.

The increase in Mushroom/Fungi poisoning, according to the statistics, has increased noticably in recent years. Whether we like it or not, and this is purely my own opinion,I suspect part of the problem is the rise in Living off the Land, Bushcraft, Survival type cultures. The other influence is the rise in the Natural foods, Television, Media type encouragement for people to get out and forage...
Maybe the 84 recorded cases so far this Autumn supports that view, if not I'd be interested to know why or what has caused people to grub around in the countryside munching 'foods' which put them in Ward 3 Nil by mouth.....:p

[Ehecatl]

It makes you wonder if there's a link between the number of fungi poisoning cases and the UK Retail Index. Does a higher index mean more foraging in general? I dunno.

I was intrugued and did a quick search as I wondered what the proportion of fungi poisoning cases was to "general" food poisoning. Apparently there were around 5 million cases of food poisoning in the UK last year. Are folks eating raw 5 day old road kill too? :confused2:

[Geoff Dann]

Those poisoning figures set me thinking...and digging..no not for Mushrooms...:D

The 237 figure given for 'Last year' (2013) from the National Poisons Information Service is for public enquiries related to poisoning by various substances/liquids...A proportion only, of those enquiries involved Mushrooms/Fungi. It's easy to read that there were 237 cases of Mushroom/Fungi poisoning..there wasn't.

Just as an example in 2008 there were 147 public enquiries at NPIS, again about various causes of poisoning. 46 cases were identified as Fungi poisoning.

The increase in Mushroom/Fungi poisoning, according to the statistics, has increased noticably in recent years. Whether we like it or not, and this is purely my own opinion,I suspect part of the problem is the rise in Living off the Land, Bushcraft, Survival type cultures. The other influence is the rise in the Natural foods, Television, Media type encouragement for people to get out and forage...
Maybe the 84 recorded cases so far this Autumn supports that view, if not I'd be interested to know why or what has caused people to grub around in the countryside munching 'foods' which put them in Ward 3 Nil by mouth.....:p

I have been foraging for wild mushrooms for nearly 30 years. When I started doing it, almost nobody else in the UK did it. Now loads of people do it. The reasons can be broken down into two cultural changes. The first is people getting interested in re-learning all sorts of forgotten/ancient skills/knowledge, including everything from foraging and knitting to pre-Christian forms of religion. And yes this is partly connected to "survivalism", self-sufficiency and a growing unease about the direction our civilisation is heading in. At the same time, there has been a culinary revolution in Britain - in terms of our eating habits, we've gone from being the most backward European nation, known only for roast dinners and fish and chips, to being a European leader in this area, influenced not only by European cuisine but food traditions from all over the world. Both of these things lead people towards an interest in foraging for mushrooms, not least via TV personalities like Hugh F-W and Ray Mears.

Unfortunately, some people are more interested in making money out these trends than helping people to do it safely. Case in point is the following book, which should probably be banned...

Mushrooming with Confidence. Merlin Unwin Books (Alexander Schwab, 2011)(£13):

As an example of how not to write a book on mushroom foraging, this one takes some beating. Both the title and the blarb emphasise how it will enable readers to forage safely. Unfortunately this is just marketing copy - people want a book that will turn them into a mushrooming expert, without having to do any hard graft, so that's what this book claims to be. However, despite telling us that safe and unsafe species resemble each other, the book itself, which covers 30 edible species, contains no information at all on the unsafe species, including those that are regularly misidentified as the edible species featured. We are told that "Mushrooming with Confidence will extinguish any fear or doubt that might stop you from hunting down your own delicious mushrooms." A more accurate title would be "Mushrooming with potentially-fatal misplaced confidence".

[saxonaxe]

That's interesting about the book Geoff, I wonder, just out of curiosity, if someone published a book " How to re-wire your home" with advice, for example, about connecting the 'yellow and green wire to the terminal maked +' :shocked:..What the reaction from official bodies would be? Instant uproar and cleared bookshelves I imagine..:)

[Geoff Dann]

That's interesting about the book Geoff, I wonder, just out of curiosity, if someone published a book " How to re-wire your home" with advice, for example, about connecting the 'yellow and green wire to the terminal maked +' :shocked:..What the reaction from official bodies would be? Instant uproar and cleared bookshelves I imagine..:)

Indeed. Or perhaps a book about "how to rewire your home" which, having warned you in the blarb how dangerous it can be, neglects to inform you that you need to turn the power off before you start work.

[BJ]

I used to collect mushrooms occasionally. Then I went on a foraging course (no mushrooms) but I got a couple of books on foraging and also some on the various fungi. After reading the books I was no longer sure that I could even identify a mushroom. Needless to say I now get 100 % of my mushrooms from the supermarket. The more I learned the less I knew. Now I just take photographs of them. :

[Geoff Dann]

I used to collect mushrooms occasionally. Then I went on a foraging course (no mushrooms) but I got a couple of books on foraging and also some on the various fungi. After reading the books I was no longer sure that I could even identify a mushroom. Needless to say I now get 100 % of my mushrooms from the supermarket. The more I learned the less I knew. Now I just take photographs of them. :

Quite a few of my customers, after a three hour session, say they are less confident and they would be less likely, rather than more, to go mushrooming on their own, than they were before. Others say they'd be confident in picking one or two of the things we found - usually the absolutely idiotproof species like hedgehog fungus. There aren't many species in that category. Certainly fewer than ten.

[luresalive]

As an instructor used to say......'Mushrooms have no real calorie content or nutritional benefit - in a survival situation is it worth the risk'

One of my old instructors said the same thing!!!

Less than 2 grams of protein and only 13 calories per 100 grams (depending on the fungi) not really worth it.

http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/calories-in-food/veg/mushrooms.htm

[Silverback]

I'm sure that comment has done the rounds more than once

[Geoff Dann]

Mushrooms have as much nutritional benefit as vegetables. Different mushrooms differ, as do different vegetables.

[luresalive]

Which mushrooms are worth foraging for then, as in, have the most calorific content?

[Ehecatl]

Which mushrooms are worth foraging for then, as in, have the most calorific content?

The ones stuffed with Stilton cheese and then baked in the oven! :happy-clapping:

[Silverback]

Or served with chips and a 12 oz steak

[Ehecatl]

*AND* served with chips and a 12 oz steak

[midas]

The ones stuffed with Stilton cheese and then baked in the oven! :happy-clapping:


Or served with chips and a 12 oz steak

I'll second that.lol

[Geoff Dann]

Which mushrooms are worth foraging for then, as in, have the most calorific content?

I don't have figures, but the idea that they have no nutritional value is fairly obviously a myth. The fruiting bodies of fungi are made of the same sort of stuff that plants and animals are made of. They're made of cells, and those cells are made of the same proteins as animal and plant cells. Some of them are particularly adept at picking up metals and trace elements from the soil, and it is for this reason they've been proposed as a means of cleaning up pollution. From a nutritional point of view this could be either a good thing or bad thing, depending on what's in the soil.

These are the figures for "normal" mushrooms:

http://mushroominfo.com/benefits/



Often grouped with vegetables, mushrooms provide many of the nutritional attributes of produce, as well as attributes more commonly found in meat, beans or grains. Mushrooms are low in calories, fat-free, cholesterol-free, gluten-free, and very low in sodium, yet they provide important nutrients, including selenium, potassium (8%), riboflavin, niacin, vitamin D and more.


Other species will be different, but it is very hard to see how any mushroom could be nutrition-free unless it was totally indigestible.

[Silverback]

Hmmmm. Low calorie, low fat, low fat.....pointless as a survival food...simply not worth the risk....may as well just eat meat or nettles :)

[Geoff Dann]

Hmmmm. Low calorie, low fat, low fat.....pointless as a survival food...simply not worth the risk....may as well just eat meat or nettles :)

One can't survive on calories/fat alone for very long.

[midas]

Guess even a Big Mac,has lettuce n a piece of gerkin.lol.

[Silverback]

One can't survive on calories/fat alone for very long.

One can survive without food for three weeks......the idea in a survival situation is not to be stuck out there for that long...

[Silverback]

Guess even a Big Mac,has lettuce n a piece of gerkin.lol.

I usually take the gherkin off Mike..although I'm not sure a Mac D could be classified as a useful survival food either ;)

[SimonB]

I usually take the gherkin off Mike..although I'm not sure a Mac D could be classified as a useful survival food either ;)

I'm not sure Mac D's should be classed as food really.......... :D

Like a lot of old guard who did the training, we are told that the calorific value you collect, should be more than you use .. And Mushrooms are worthless as a food source so far a calorific value is, let alone the ID side, so best left for the squirrels..... At least there's nutrition in a Squirrel !!