Tigger's Crusader lid

[Bernie]

I thought this was such a good modification that it deserved a thread of it's own.

Tigger004 posted photos of the lids he made for his Crusader and Dutch Mug (http://www.naturalbushcraft.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?5497-Thread-Juxtaposition-What-have-you-made-now&p=108390&viewfull=1#post108390) on the "What have you made now" thread. This impressed a few of us and he was kind enough to share his process and supplier with us:


Ian, it is 1.2mm aluminium off evil bay (polished and film protected one side.
The process is straight forward. I'll do it by numbers.
1. Place mug upside down on a piece of wood and draw round it, then cut the shape out of the wood ensuring that the line is just fully visible ( this ensures the former is slightly larger than the mug top ).
2. Place former upside down on back side of aluminium and draw round it with marker pen.
3. Then draw a second (cutting line) 5/6mm outside the traced line. I used dividers to get an equidistant line all round.
4. Carefully cut around the outside line and remove burrs.
5. Realign the wooden former on the aluminium and clamp in a vice ( not too much at a time sticking up)
6. Very gently tap the aluminium edge towards the former working around as you go. (Don't try to fold it all the way over, work it over with patience, it will pay rewards)
7. When folded all round and 90 degrees-ish,remove from former and try on mug.
8. When you're happy it fits,, place the cut face of lid on a sheet of sand paper. Rub smooth in circular motions.
9. Finish the handle etc to your taste / requirements to personalise it.

This is a bit of an overkill description but any bits you are comfortable with you can ignore. Patience definitely pays off on the forming the edge over to prevent ripples,
Aluminium can be annealed with heat if it's not going to plan....


Ian, This is the supplier I got mine from http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Hardware-Outlet-Uk?_trksid=p2047675.l2563 may be useful to you

400 x 300mm in 1.2mm thickness was £3.75 delivered

I bought mine from the same place and it only cost me £2.25 for a 200 x 300mm sheet in the same thickness (1.2mm).

I thought it would be useful to see the process in pictures. I like photos. So here's how I did. I must say that Tigger seems to have a way with the Aluminium that I don't. Mine didn't turn out quite as nice as his, but I'm still chuffed to bits. :D

I found a piece of old kitchen cabinet from the neighbour who had her solid Cherry wood doors replaced with plastic coated MDF. She's happy, I'm delighted. Following his instructions, I traced around the lip of the mug.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-U7alTazK5OQ/UxDXH25oASI/AAAAAAAARLs/qZoc6qhw_ek/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4505.jpg

I decided to use my scroll saw, but in hindsight I would've done better on the bandsaw. I don't like how scroll saws require me to press the wood down.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rv-pRccgZOk/UxDXNaFfCKI/AAAAAAAARME/nJ_i4lDLxT0/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4507.jpg

I cut well outside the line because I was having trouble directing the cut.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LDS952e1rJE/UxDXPy5vbLI/AAAAAAAARMQ/hSPVvXCpumc/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4508.jpg

A little bit on the belt sander with 40-grit soon had it down to the line.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vW15ab7WJac/UxDXVokznHI/AAAAAAAARMo/ZgI-g51pksQ/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4510.jpg

Now it came time to trace around the wood onto the Aluminium. I'm not sure which is technically the nice side; I presume under the protective film lies a clean finish. I traced around the former onto the exposed side. I decided to use a washer for this so I found one that had a "wall" thickness of nearly 8mm which would give me enough lip. In hindsight I think Tigger was right to reduce the size of the lip because there's less metal to crinkle as it's wrapped over the edge.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-88N8wxxMiJI/UxDXYVdUa8I/AAAAAAAARM0/zmXLHoX7LFY/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4512.jpg

This shows how the washer is used to trace the outline. I was holding the template in place but had to use my hand to take the photo.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-B4LNlwftWe0/UxDXaKXEcQI/AAAAAAAARNA/tioLsydCGL8/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4513.jpg

Next came the cutting. I clamped the sheet between the former and a plank of wood in the vice. I tried a coping saw with a very fine blade and was impressed that a blade usually used for wood could cut the Aluminium. But after a little while it was too much and I heard a "plink" as the blade snapped. But I'd cut most of the shape out. I finished the cuts with a hack saw.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DX5QfnmN2Go/UxHb3rQb3xI/AAAAAAAARUc/WLoNKZRi1qE/w932-h677-no/IMAG4516.jpg

A few minutes on the belt sander (I love my belt sander) had the Aluminium almost down to the line:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wf_55Nleh2E/UxHb7XE3nII/AAAAAAAAROE/pOOCC8Clbfo/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4518.jpg

Clamped in the wooden jaws of the vice with the former stuck in place with double-sided tape, I started the tapping. I was impressed with how easily it bent over the edges of the template.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OH3cwuoVOC8/UxHcDXzs0uI/AAAAAAAARPE/Veya-fEG-IQ/w382-h677-no/IMAG4523.jpg

It was soon after this point that I decided the double sided tape should be removed or I might never be able to separate the two. I continued to tap my way around the edge, moving the template and metal together. I had no problem forming it over the convex curves.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-lKzzdMyUik0/UxHcE18ZeuI/AAAAAAAARPQ/n7iOrTmw5RY/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4524.jpg

I thought all was lost when I came to try form it over the points and into the concave of the kidney shape:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SQA4JYZIFQI/UxHcGEP_L7I/AAAAAAAARPc/B7XEDexVj0A/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4525.jpg

But I carried on thinking I'll just keep at it, and before I knew it, the Aluminium had managed to form all around the template and I was able to remove it.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ezxd2-5c_3g/UxHcN_MS3yI/AAAAAAAARQQ/tZPUpgAU_QA/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4529.jpg

I went inside for a test fit... it fits!
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/aywP4SEdtzPz1AuC_uMcNt9s2FUtfx3V-2aYcV-B4IUB=w665-h677-no

Much thinking was done about the handle. I like Tigger's rubber ring that folds down and makes it flatter when packed. I was going to turn a wooden handle and then thought better of it because it'd always be in the way. I thought I'll try do what he did. So I cut a little piece of Aluminium from the end that was left on the sheet and drilled holes and formed it into a handle holder.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-FCDfYNpwkhA/UxHcT5cxuPI/AAAAAAAARRA/xSMoYRYUCFI/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4533.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-grPEdr_BPGw/UxHcVQIc8WI/AAAAAAAARRM/W253g8KgSXA/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4534.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wKc-bEHNdqA/UxHcXLOjbuI/AAAAAAAARRY/CVtwR5rlvBk/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4535.jpg

I measured and marked the centre of the lid and drilled holes for the rivets so that the clip would be in the centre.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2QmsTrobRPY/UxHcZE8B-kI/AAAAAAAARRk/tsUHJebXfoU/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4536.jpg

I had to remove the film before riveting and saw the lovely brushed Aluminium under the film. I was contemplating a key ring but it was so tiny that it would be hard to get a hold of when the lid was hot, and it would make a noise.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-pvj75htTsqA/UxHccB-I_PI/AAAAAAAARR8/58AzJJybTns/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4538.jpg

But I didn't have a nice big O-Ring like Tigger. What to do...

In the mean time I realised I had not drilled the steam/draining holes. With a little help from some graph paper I marked out what I thought would be ample holes.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/al_iU6DuXtex3iPigXTgKEaczZDAHY__ACjeg1sw58Ol=w1051-h677-no

Off to the drill press again and I drilled these holes with the smallest bit I have. It's around 1mm. I don't want food running out, and water will find it's way through the smallest holes. The drill bit left a few burs which I didn't want to sand away because I'd scratch the nice surface.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-KKSjnUAkRVg/UxHciZJidLI/AAAAAAAARSg/SRtDFyCbkhE/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4542.jpg

The inside was even worse:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/388leCv6FFxnhWlfd_WVJiZv_Z6aAHn4thibhdDlsUjv=w919-h677-no

I removed the burs with a 2mm drill bit - this was fiddly work.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/uLUSNVa5CydEFPsgubuvVEbKp37BixN_ftdPsAaiCLUf=w945-h677-no

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Zd0slWG1OxXda00mgZPAipCs8RwsEZFy8NBgF-KMXJgj=w1006-h677-no

Looks about ready to assemble:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/YYmKj1my1Fwiepyy5RpcHu_hZtqwrOMeR1lVpNWcSJku=w925-h677-no

I decided to go with the metal ring after all, but I did a little Macramé with Jute to make it thicker and absort heat and sound. I like it. :)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MS9fjOEhzNM/UxHcrrGv1uI/AAAAAAAARTc/3FoMJyRO15w/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4547.jpg

Two quick rivets later, the lid was officially finished.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-FTDpur35Tfs/UxHcwv03K3I/AAAAAAAART0/7QSNaEpZwQw/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4550.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5mZ98jJ4xJc/UxHcyG4nAjI/AAAAAAAARUA/1m8TZPeWNqY/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4551.jpg

My sincere thanks to Tigger for his idea and instructions. This was a cheap and fun little project that'll help cook my noodles more quickly and keep my food warm on cold days out.

[-Tim-]

A fantastic job there Bernie, a job well done :)

Cheers
Tim

[Stevie B]

Well done buddy, great workmanship

[luresalive]

That's a brilliant job

[Bernie]

Thanks guys. The credit should go to Tigger for his inspiration.

Now that I've made this, I feel more confident I could make something similar in Aluminium.

[SteveW]

That's a very nice little lid you have there, I'm looking at cooking systems at the moment and that trows another spanner in the works :)

[Tigger004]

Lovely job Bernie :happy-clapping:, you are selling yourself short mate,

I like the Jute as a handle and love the graph paper template for the drainer / seive. Very inovative.

Can I just add, they keep out flies, ash and other junk as well at helping boil times and keep hot times.

Ps. thanks for the positive feedback and praise, this sharing thing helps us all and also helps with continuous improvement of skills and techniques...

[Adam Savage]

Top stuff to Tigger, for sparking Bernie's interest with his fantastic mug lids, and to Bernie, for putting it into a well organised photo format/"how to".

T^

[Fraxinus]

Top stuff to Tigger, for sparking Bernie's interest with his fantastic mug lids, and to Bernie, for putting it into a well organised photo format/"how to".

T^

+1 to that T^

[Valantine]

Fantastic idea T^

[Chubbs]

Great work lads. I like the steam vent idea. I gonna have to borrow that idea and adapt the one I made last year out of an aluminum pan lid.

[midas]

Very Tidy Proffesional Job!Well done!!!!

[Ehecatl]

Thanks Tigger and Bernie.

I think this demonstrates more than ever that the sum of the parts (members) is greater than the whole (forum). I shall keep this idea in mind. Back in the last century when I was an Air Cadet doing DEA I used to use my enamel pint mug to heat a brew while I ate my lunch. I think a little aluminium lid for the mug could be in order.

Cheers chaps,

M@

[rik_uk3]

Lovely job and the difference you'll see in fuel consumption is fantastic over using an open top pot.

[Tigger004]

Lovely job and the difference you'll see in fuel consumption is fantastic over using an open top pot.
Very true, it does seem to make a big difference, also nice not drinking ash and leaf litter.....lol

[Tony1948]

I'd like to thank Tigger and Bernie for this post,hears my go at makng a crusader mug lide,Iwill not be cooking in it only boilling water for tea so only need one hole for the steamt to come out.11856118571185811859Thanks again guys for the post.......Tony.

[Bernie]

Nice job Tony. It looks like yours doubles as a handle retainer to keep the handles in the packed away position. I like that.

[Tony1948]

Ya it does Bernie it's the smaller one than yours,it's also got the roller lip.......thanks again bud.....Tony.

[shack]

top job everyone , I think I might have a go with my volcano stove mug, you make it look so easy :happy-clapping:

[Bernie]

I'll be making another one soon. I might just make a video of that...

[Blood]

Very smart and excellently executed. Many thanks for sharing

[Tigger004]

Tony1948, Great job, I like the handle retaining idea. Is tha a pyro saddle clamp you've used as a handle? ( ideal if it is, they have a certain heat resistance and are already coated )

Thanks againd fro the bottle/cup.... Jeff

[Tony1948]

Tony1948, Great job, I like the handle retaining idea. Is tha a pyro saddle clamp you've used as a handle? ( ideal if it is, they have a certain heat resistance and are already coated )

Thanks againd fro the bottle/cup.... Jeff....Ya Jeff I think they are pyro clamps, I've had a big bag of them in the man cave for years I new there'd come in usefull one day,:happy-clapping:

[ammo]

Great work. By a few of the lads, aswell. All good jobs them.

[Tony1948]

All down to Jeff and Bernie for the first posts,thanks again guys.............Tony.

[Bernie]

Thanks Tony, but I think Tigger deserves the credit. I just copied what he did and I'm more inclined to show lots of photos and write about it. :)

I made another yesterday (no video, sorry - my workshop is far too messy for a video). I turned a knob handle for this one because I think I prefer the control it provides. Screwed in with a bolt from below, it can be replaced or removed if necessary.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-P7vKjF8sHIM/Uy3pbR8MU9I/AAAAAAAARz0/zgs78LaiBe0/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4644.jpg

[Tigger004]

That one is very refined indeed, really nice finish, I guess it's for a NATO crusader and the corners on the concave edge are difficult to craft without ripples, top job. :-)

[alvino78]

some very nice work there boys!!!! T^

[Blood]

Very classy! Posh crafting for sure with that beauty!

[NorthernYeti]

Came out better than my diy mess tin lid did

[Blood]

Does it work mike? Job done then :-)

[NorthernYeti]

Does it work mike? Job done then :-)

If you don't mind metal splinters in your fingers yeah :D

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[Bernie]

You just need to sand the edges. I use emery cloth. I buy it in huge reels and just tear off pieces as I need them.

I use the 240 grit most. A 50m roll, 25mm wide (about an inch) can be purchased from these suppliers:

Screwfix (http://www.screwfix.com/p/emery-cloth-strip-240-grit-25mm-x-50m/17931) @ £15.99
Toolstation (http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Painting%20&%20Decorating/Sanding%20Paper/Emery%20Cloth%20Roll%2025mm%20x%2050m/d150/sd1730/p55340) @ £10.65

Mine has lasted me years so far and I use it quite a lot for woodturning as well as these sorts of projects.

[Hamygray]

I thought this was such a good modification that it deserved a thread of it's own.

Tigger004 posted photos of the lids he made for his Crusader and Dutch Mug (http://www.naturalbushcraft.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?5497-Thread-Juxtaposition-What-have-you-made-now&p=108390&viewfull=1#post108390) on the "What have you made now" thread. This impressed a few of us and he was kind enough to share his process and supplier with us:





I bought mine from the same place and it only cost me £2.25 for a 200 x 300mm sheet in the same thickness (1.2mm).

I thought it would be useful to see the process in pictures. I like photos. So here's how I did. I must say that Tigger seems to have a way with the Aluminium that I don't. Mine didn't turn out quite as nice as his, but I'm still chuffed to bits. :D

I found a piece of old kitchen cabinet from the neighbour who had her solid Cherry wood doors replaced with plastic coated MDF. She's happy, I'm delighted. Following his instructions, I traced around the lip of the mug.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-U7alTazK5OQ/UxDXH25oASI/AAAAAAAARLs/qZoc6qhw_ek/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4505.jpg

I decided to use my scroll saw, but in hindsight I would've done better on the bandsaw. I don't like how scroll saws require me to press the wood down.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rv-pRccgZOk/UxDXNaFfCKI/AAAAAAAARME/nJ_i4lDLxT0/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4507.jpg

I cut well outside the line because I was having trouble directing the cut.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LDS952e1rJE/UxDXPy5vbLI/AAAAAAAARMQ/hSPVvXCpumc/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4508.jpg

A little bit on the belt sander with 40-grit soon had it down to the line.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vW15ab7WJac/UxDXVokznHI/AAAAAAAARMo/ZgI-g51pksQ/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4510.jpg

Now it came time to trace around the wood onto the Aluminium. I'm not sure which is technically the nice side; I presume under the protective film lies a clean finish. I traced around the former onto the exposed side. I decided to use a washer for this so I found one that had a "wall" thickness of nearly 8mm which would give me enough lip. In hindsight I think Tigger was right to reduce the size of the lip because there's less metal to crinkle as it's wrapped over the edge.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-88N8wxxMiJI/UxDXYVdUa8I/AAAAAAAARM0/zmXLHoX7LFY/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4512.jpg

This shows how the washer is used to trace the outline. I was holding the template in place but had to use my hand to take the photo.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-B4LNlwftWe0/UxDXaKXEcQI/AAAAAAAARNA/tioLsydCGL8/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4513.jpg

Next came the cutting. I clamped the sheet between the former and a plank of wood in the vice. I tried a coping saw with a very fine blade and was impressed that a blade usually used for wood could cut the Aluminium. But after a little while it was too much and I heard a "plink" as the blade snapped. But I'd cut most of the shape out. I finished the cuts with a hack saw.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DX5QfnmN2Go/UxHb3rQb3xI/AAAAAAAARUc/WLoNKZRi1qE/w932-h677-no/IMAG4516.jpg

A few minutes on the belt sander (I love my belt sander) had the Aluminium almost down to the line:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wf_55Nleh2E/UxHb7XE3nII/AAAAAAAAROE/pOOCC8Clbfo/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4518.jpg

Clamped in the wooden jaws of the vice with the former stuck in place with double-sided tape, I started the tapping. I was impressed with how easily it bent over the edges of the template.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OH3cwuoVOC8/UxHcDXzs0uI/AAAAAAAARPE/Veya-fEG-IQ/w382-h677-no/IMAG4523.jpg

It was soon after this point that I decided the double sided tape should be removed or I might never be able to separate the two. I continued to tap my way around the edge, moving the template and metal together. I had no problem forming it over the convex curves.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-lKzzdMyUik0/UxHcE18ZeuI/AAAAAAAARPQ/n7iOrTmw5RY/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4524.jpg

I thought all was lost when I came to try form it over the points and into the concave of the kidney shape:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SQA4JYZIFQI/UxHcGEP_L7I/AAAAAAAARPc/B7XEDexVj0A/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4525.jpg

But I carried on thinking I'll just keep at it, and before I knew it, the Aluminium had managed to form all around the template and I was able to remove it.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ezxd2-5c_3g/UxHcN_MS3yI/AAAAAAAARQQ/tZPUpgAU_QA/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4529.jpg

I went inside for a test fit... it fits!
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/aywP4SEdtzPz1AuC_uMcNt9s2FUtfx3V-2aYcV-B4IUB=w665-h677-no

Much thinking was done about the handle. I like Tigger's rubber ring that folds down and makes it flatter when packed. I was going to turn a wooden handle and then thought better of it because it'd always be in the way. I thought I'll try do what he did. So I cut a little piece of Aluminium from the end that was left on the sheet and drilled holes and formed it into a handle holder.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-FCDfYNpwkhA/UxHcT5cxuPI/AAAAAAAARRA/xSMoYRYUCFI/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4533.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-grPEdr_BPGw/UxHcVQIc8WI/AAAAAAAARRM/W253g8KgSXA/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4534.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wKc-bEHNdqA/UxHcXLOjbuI/AAAAAAAARRY/CVtwR5rlvBk/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4535.jpg

I measured and marked the centre of the lid and drilled holes for the rivets so that the clip would be in the centre.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2QmsTrobRPY/UxHcZE8B-kI/AAAAAAAARRk/tsUHJebXfoU/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4536.jpg

I had to remove the film before riveting and saw the lovely brushed Aluminium under the film. I was contemplating a key ring but it was so tiny that it would be hard to get a hold of when the lid was hot, and it would make a noise.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-pvj75htTsqA/UxHccB-I_PI/AAAAAAAARR8/58AzJJybTns/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4538.jpg

But I didn't have a nice big O-Ring like Tigger. What to do...

In the mean time I realised I had not drilled the steam/draining holes. With a little help from some graph paper I marked out what I thought would be ample holes.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/al_iU6DuXtex3iPigXTgKEaczZDAHY__ACjeg1sw58Ol=w1051-h677-no

Off to the drill press again and I drilled these holes with the smallest bit I have. It's around 1mm. I don't want food running out, and water will find it's way through the smallest holes. The drill bit left a few burs which I didn't want to sand away because I'd scratch the nice surface.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-KKSjnUAkRVg/UxHciZJidLI/AAAAAAAARSg/SRtDFyCbkhE/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4542.jpg

The inside was even worse:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/388leCv6FFxnhWlfd_WVJiZv_Z6aAHn4thibhdDlsUjv=w919-h677-no

I removed the burs with a 2mm drill bit - this was fiddly work.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/uLUSNVa5CydEFPsgubuvVEbKp37BixN_ftdPsAaiCLUf=w945-h677-no

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Zd0slWG1OxXda00mgZPAipCs8RwsEZFy8NBgF-KMXJgj=w1006-h677-no

Looks about ready to assemble:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/YYmKj1my1Fwiepyy5RpcHu_hZtqwrOMeR1lVpNWcSJku=w925-h677-no

I decided to go with the metal ring after all, but I did a little Macramé with Jute to make it thicker and absort heat and sound. I like it. :)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MS9fjOEhzNM/UxHcrrGv1uI/AAAAAAAARTc/3FoMJyRO15w/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4547.jpg

Two quick rivets later, the lid was officially finished.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-FTDpur35Tfs/UxHcwv03K3I/AAAAAAAART0/7QSNaEpZwQw/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4550.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5mZ98jJ4xJc/UxHcyG4nAjI/AAAAAAAARUA/1m8TZPeWNqY/w1085-h612-no/IMAG4551.jpg

My sincere thanks to Tigger for his idea and instructions. This was a cheap and fun little project that'll help cook my noodles more quickly and keep my food warm on cold days out.

Great job there well done. Do you think it will work out as good using stainless steel from the ebay site you posted. (cooker splash back sheet)
Hamygray...

[shepherd]

just seen this thread for the first time... cracking mod mate! T^

[Bernie]

Great job there well done. Do you think it will work out as good using stainless steel from the ebay site you posted. (cooker splash back sheet)
Hamygray...

I'm not sure... I think you might have more trouble hammering the SS around the form. But you know; nothing ventured nothing gained. Good luck and let us know how you get on. :)

[Bernie]

just seen this thread for the first time... cracking mod mate! T^

Thanks bud. It's been ages since I made that. :D

[Bernie]

Okay, I've had a go. For the impatient, it's doable but I didn't enjoy it and I wouldn't do it again. Read on for the entertainment factor if you wish...

Step one, spend ages finding the template I made back along.

Step two, get the old fat fryer and find a place where it fits. Then give up on that because it's the best clear section so remove the handles from the sides and decide to use a side.
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Trace around the template using a wide brim washer.
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Find cutting discs and angle grinder (no way am I cutting this by hand).
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Safety first - sparks are going to fly. :)
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Angle grinder doesn't work. Switch clicks but nothing doing. Let out a deep sigh to avoid getting angry at this point. Take the thing inside and check the fuse with the multimeter. Nope, fuse is fine. Sense anger boiling up inside. I paid a lot for this Makita with the expectation it would last longer than this. Return to garage (erm, "workshop") and open the handle to check brushes. Nope, they're fine. Nothing looks burnt out. Hmmm. Looks at plug. Plug in extension lead. Looks at extension lead (was working just hours ago). Follows lead to plug. Sees plug is near a camping table that was recently moved. Fiddle plug and switch off and on again. Flick switch. Grinder works! Slump in frustration at own stupidity for not following own rule: always check the simplest things first.

Nibble around the shape.
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Switch to grinding wheel/disc to smooth the edge:
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Done in seconds. Love my grinder. Good grinder. Sorry I blamed you. :(
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Clamp steel and template in vice. Select a suitable hammer (I don't think a soft mallet is going to cut it).
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Start tapping. See nothing happening. Start giving it some. Sides folding out so clamp them in place.
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Yes. Sides have rolled up like a smile. Smiling at my failure. We'll see who's boss in a minute you pesky little slice of steel...
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Doing slightly better at the other end:
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Stop the mini blog because the rest of the photos haven't synchronised to Google yet. SIGH (again).

/ to be continued...

[Bernie]

Beat the daylights out of the thin steel sheet. Find that, unlike Aluminium, it doesn't stretch and compress the same. It rolls and folds. So the concave section ends up rolling over itself.

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Not only that, but the template has taken a beating in the process. Thinking making a male and female form from something stronger and just using a press would be better.
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The edge is a mess. Crinkle cut wavy mess.
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But it fits, and it holds even at an angle.
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Aluminium versus Stainless Steel.
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I know which one I prefer.
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It fits this style crusader.
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Verdict: I prefer the Aluminium one. I'll just make sure I use an appropriately sized cooker to avoid melting the Aluminium.

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I was thinking of using some thin stainless steel sheet that I got a long time ago to make a lid for my crusader as the one I bought is heavy but never got around to it, I might see if I can get someone to weld a inner rim inside the same as the heavy SS one.