makes me mad the animal 'welfare' groups bleating on about the poor badgers,they never mention the 21,000 cows that are killed.Originally Posted by Martin
makes me mad the animal 'welfare' groups bleating on about the poor badgers,they never mention the 21,000 cows that are killed.
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Cant they just inoculate the cattle? Or the badgers for that matter?
If there are no women around and a man says something, is he still wrong?
And, that's just in six months...
No, they can't do that. You can't inoculate every wild badger. They don't know how many there are and they won't know if you've caught them all. They can't inoculate the cattle as it would make it impossible to tell the difference between an infected beast and an inoculated one.
Martin
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Surely if you inoculated every cow you wouldn't have any infected beasts? looks like I've started something herelets keep it friendly gents. I for one feel there has not been enough research done (yet) and was quite pleased it's been put on hold. Paul
+1 for me,Surely if you inoculated every cow you wouldn't have any infected beasts? looks like I've started something here
The cost per night of the cull is more than the average loss per farm herd which means we the taxpayer will pay heavily for the cull while still paying for further outbreaks
I believe (and please correct me if I am wrong ) that if one beast is found to have TB then the whole herd is put down? which follows the rules for foot and mouth, the only reason that they would do this with TB is because they will not pay
for simple test.
Another point to consider is that a bovine TB vaccine is already being developed here in the UK anyway and it has already been established that it will be cheaper to vaccinate than to cull the badgers!
IF there were solid proof that badgers and only badgers were to blame then I would say nothing BUT a recent ( within 5 years ) case in the welsh borders proved that a farmer knowingly introduced an infected animal
into his herd so he could claim compensation. Says it all
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Sorry fish I honestly don't mean to upset anyone but to describe an animal as "destructive ,vicious and diseased" is unfair after all those three words are more commonly used to
describe human beings. J.S springs to mind as does a certain G.G
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The thing is, if the science behind badgers being the main contributer to the spread of TB is true and the country calls to arms against them, unless you eradicate the badger from the face of the British isles, I'm not understanding how a cull is a complete solution. Leaving pockets of badgers here n there will still mean that they'll be able to spread TB (if indeed the science is correct). To make any species extinct in our fair islands is a heinous crime, to do so as part of an unfounded witch hunt is even worse. I personally do not support the cull as the science behind the "threat" has many holes in it and it appears that DEFRA are using the Badger Cull as a means to pacify British farmers as they demand a solution to this problem.
Over the 100,000 years since Homo Sapien migrated from Africa we have arrogantly bulldozed our way around the globe, destroying "pests" and "Threats" along the way. With the onset of agriculture we have destroyed species more efficiently and with more self rightous justification as we build our better world. In British history we wiped Boar from the face of the isles because of their interference with the grand plan of agriculture.
I'm not at home with any wholesale destruction of life as a result of our activities and yes, the badger is a stinky wee destructive little monkey, but It would be sad to see them gone and even sadder that their deaths were just to throw British farmers a bone, a means to vent there anxiety over the loss of their livestock so that it appears that the government are "sorting the problem"
I've never eaten badger, but I've heard it tastes like cat sick. Tis off the roadkill menu for me
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A badger cull will not stop TB from spreading, and for more than one reason..
Badgers are territorial creatures and have their own patch. If badgers are removed from a certain area, other badgers outside that area are then free to move in to an undefended new patch, bringing in TB as well as other possible diseases that were being kept out by the original badgers.
Badgers also form an important part of the eco system in the countryside. They have been around for eons, so what will happen if they go..?
Also, badgers are not the only animals that can transmit TB. Deer also carry it. Gonna kill all them too are we. There numbers are soaring as it is, despite many being shot and killed on our roads..
I am very much against the cull. Its just man thinking they know best again, when they do not know what will happen..
If TB is such a problem to farmers, why are farmers themselves not doing much to keep badgers away from their cattle..? I have worked on many farms around this area, and we have cattle on the farm here, but all the gates to the fields are completely open to badgers from what I have seen.. Farmers these days do not want to get off their tractors or quad bikes and do any manual work, like they used to. Years ago farmers would know where the badger setts were and they would know the badgers runs, latrines and everything, but I bet many farmers do not know all this now.
A simple and inexpensive low level electric wire would help keep badgers away from herds of cattle, so why are farmers not trying to protect their cattle more..? Personally I reckon its because they get so much in handouts after they have to destroy the TB infected cattle. Where is the incentive..?
I also work on many farms round the South West and most farmers I speak to don't want the badgers messed with. A fair portion of these farms either have or have had issues with TB but openly admit that the badgers are not solely to blame. Other wildlife will carry TB onto the land and the movements cannot be stopped but at least with the badgers they do have, they know the problems they need to work with.
I also know a few farms where TB has not been a significant problem yet culls were planned in the area. They were dreading it as they knew that the doors would be left open for new badgers to come in, possibly creating one hell of a problem for them.
Nice well thought out words from phil.jonny and jus,my thoughts exactly,cheers lads. Paul
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