Oh forgot to mention, dont forget your ridge line when packing up. I never did........ok,ok i did, i got to the van then realised id left it tied up still. Went back and discovered a couple of walkers looking up at it in awe as to wether it was some sort of sex swing for breeding squirells, or tightrope act. Anyhow it taught (excuse the pun) to be more vigilant in future as regards the line. Mac